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No. 26 of 2018
THURSDAY, MAY 10, 2018

Click HERE for last Thursday's quote from Ed Brzytwa.


CORRECTION:

The chemical industry in the United States provides more 822,000 "skilled, good paying jobs" according to the American Chemical Council.  Last Friday's entry erroneously used a smaller number.  The version of that entry in the link above has been corrected with the more accurate figure, namely, 822,000. 
 
MR. EMERSON'S QUESTION

"We need to change China's behavior. ... My question is, how do we do that?"

Eric Emerson 

April 25, 2018
CONTEXT
Eric Emerson is a partner at the law firm of Steptoe & Johnson LLP and heads Steptoe's international trade and investment group.  Where China is concerned,  he is both a storehouse of knowledge on the policies and sensitive to the perspectives of the different players.   That is not surprising.  For five years, Mr. Emerson managed Steptoe's office in Beijing.  On April 25 he served as the moderator for the GBD program:

Searching for Reciprocity
SECTION 301 AND THE FUTURE OF U.S.-CHINA TRADE


Eric Emerson at GBD
 
We are not in the habit of rating or evaluating the performances of those who volunteer to moderate GBD events.  One reason for that is that at different times, we ask different moderators to do different things.  We would note, however, that on April 25th Mr. Emerson conducted that office with a light touch. Light but illuminating.  In his opening remarks he put the issues in clear perspective.  Those issues, of course, are China's rough tactics for acquiring U.S. intellectual property on the one hand and the threats of tariff retaliations on the other, and all of them are bound up in the 301 investigation that USTR initiated last August and the report USTR published on March 22nd.

In the hierarchy of trade issues, Mr. Emerson said those in the China 301 case are the top.  He said:

Of all the critical issues that we're facing right now, this is perhaps the most important.  [It is] the one that has the potential to have the most significant ramifications on U.S. trade policy and, obviously, on the U.S. economy.

After all five speakers had made their presentations - all excellent - and it was time for Q&A, Mr. Emerson, as is customary, asked the first question. The essence of that question is today's featured quote.  The reasoning behind it gives the question a special force.  Here is a longer version of Mr. Emerson's question:

Before I open it up to the floor for questions, I'd like to take the moderator's prerogative to ask the first one, if I could, and then I'd love to be able to hear from the audience. 

Erin [Ennis], you mentioned that USCBC [the US-China Business Council] has come up with some specific, ambitious, measurable and commercially meaningful goals, negotiating goals that we could have.  But I think really, to one of Josh's [Kallmer's] points, he used the phrase, "change behavior."  We need to change China's behavior.  And I assume that what that means is change their behavior in a way to move towards some of the goals that you have articulated in your testimony. 

I guess my question for the panel is, how do we do that?  Because it seems to me, based on my experience there [in China] and afterwards-it seems to me that from China's perspective, they think they're doing pretty well.  When they look at something like the Made in China 2025 plan and the 10 industries that they are supporting; when they are looking at their SOEs [state-owned enterprises], which certainly have problems, but they are trying to get them ...

You know when we hear SOE reform, we sort of thought at first "Oh, Happy Day."  That means privatization.  That means market-driven companies - at least maybe I did.  It means something very different [to the Chinese].  It means making them stronger.  It means making them more powerful competitors on the global stage, and they seem to be moving in that direction.  Localizing and nationalizing things like, you know, cloud computing under the cyber-security area. 

So, I think from their perspective, they think they are on the right track.  And they are doing well.  The economy's doing reasonably well.  It certainly has its internal problems, and that's not stuff that we're really talking about here. So, how can we change their behavior to move toward these goals that USCBC has articulated, to show them that that path is better than the one that they are on right now?

Certainly, you know, USTR and this Administration is taking one path by saying well, you know, down that path lies pain.  Pain in terms of trade restrictions for the United States and so forth.  So that's maybe one approach, but, you know, the panel I think is generally, with some exceptions perhaps, sort of opposed to that as a method.  You know, can we engage in this cooperative negotiation rather than put in place these punitive tariffs?  Fair enough, but then what is the carrot that we have?

And it was Erin Ennis of the US-China Business Council who responded.  She didn't provide the magic carrot.  Rather she emphasized the importance of clear metrics for determining whether in one area or another a change in China's behavior that may have been promised has in fact occurred.
COMMENT
Last week's meetings in Beijing - meetings that involved three U.S. Cabinet officers - were Round 1 in the Trump era China trade negotiations.  The talks in Washington next week will be Round 2.  Yes, the U.S. objective is to change China's behavior, though just what behavior and what changes is not quite so clear.

And, of course negotiations and agreements are not the only techniques for achieving "changed behavior" results.  Indeed, there are many who believe that negotiating with China on these issues is not likely to be productive.  Peter Morici of the University of Maryland made that argument earlier this week in an article for MarketWatch. 

For our part, we are not sure just where the current U.S.-China trade talks are going, but we'll offer these four guesses anyway.

First, somehow, they will manage to avoid the mega-disruptions that have been laid out in the bad dream of U.S. tariffs and Chinese counter-tariffs that was triggered by the 301 investigation.

Second, we suspect that, over time, the U.S.-China trade talks will become a semi-permanent and critically important feature of the global trading system.  (We shall leave for another day the question of what that might mean for the WTO.)

Third, they may well result in some r eduction in America's bilateral trade deficit with China and in some relaxation of particular Chinese policies.  Relaxation of some joint-venture requirements for investors in certain sectors of the Chinese economy is one possibility. 

Fourth, the one thing they will not do, however, is settle anything "once and for all."  Why? Because in both China and the United States, national interests - national interests as perceived and defined by national leaders - will be the drivers of national policies, and those interests may not always match up with prior commitments.  

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How will this all play out in the Keynesian long run, the one in which we are all dead?  We don't know.  As for any other time frames - say the medium term - our money is with the optimists.  We say that because, the need for adjustments notwithstanding, a vibrant U.S.-China relationship is in the interest of both countries, and both of them know it.  That said, and with months and possibly years of negotiations ahead, Mr.  Emerson's question will always be in the background: "We need to change China's behavior ... how do we do that?"
SOURCES & LINKS
A Recording is a link to the MP3 recording of GBD's April 25 colloquium.  Mr. Emerson's introductory remarks begin at 3:55 and the Q&A session, the source for today's featured quote, begins at 55:25.

Event Materials takes you to the page of the GBD website that is devoted to materials from GBD April 25 colloquium, Searching for Reciprocity: Section 301 and the Future of US-China Trade.

The U.S. List is a link to the Federal Register Notice of April 6 with the initial list of imports from China that could be hit with an additional 25 percent tariff.
 
Past Time for Negotiations is a link to the Peter Morici article mentioned above.

On the Chinese Side is a CNN article about the first two rounds of negotiations -- last week and next -- with a focus on the leading Chinese official, Vice Minister Liu He.

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