Ask Monty Roberts

May 29, 2013   
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Horses bite each other, but why do horses bite humans? If a horse bites you, is it dominance, fear, resource guarding, poor manners in asking for a treat, disrespect, sheer aggression or playfulness? If a horse bites you, is it fair game to strike him back?

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Question:

My name is Pierangelo. I'm writing from France and I have an Italian Horse that is 7 years old. The problem is when we work with the Dually Halter, on the ground, he is always trying to bite. You say that violence is not an answer but for me it is a kind of violence from his side. To be honest he makes it just when he works and also riding when he decides to not work is a really nightmare. If not, when he is in a good day he is nice and you can do everything with him because he learns very quickly. I've asked two professional trainers and the feedback has been maybe it is better to sell him, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. So first question: How can I stop his biting? Second: how can I get a good relationship to work?

  

Monty's Answer:     

Thank you very much for your inquiry. I thank you also for your acceptance of my concepts and curiosity where they are concerned. Very often I receive information similar to what you have outlined regarding your horse. In a very high percentage of such cases it is discovered that violence was used in the training process during the course of the formative years of the horse's life. Horses treated with violence will often express violence toward the human because it is the only option left to them. I think the best suggestion I can make to you is that somehow you get copy of my textook, "From My Hands to Yours," and follow each of the concepts that I outline in there. Biting has its own chapter.

 

When I hear you say that biting is violence from the horse to the human, it concerns me that you might be treating this as a pass to use violence and feel that it is justified. For me, violence is never justified. It is, in fact, something that we typically use when we are simply out of ideas that are non-violent. We use harsh methods from frustration most of the time. I understand how this can happen but I've never witnessed it being the answer to the problem involved. It is true that this horse might be beyond repair. If that's the case, let's be sure that we prepare your mind for the next horse to come along so that violence does not become an acceptable option.

 

Attacking the point of consternation is an open invitation to war. If we go to war with the horse it is likely the horse will win. They're bigger, stronger and faster. What happens when one chooses to hit the horse for biting is that the biting will continue at the same level. The horse will become more cunning as to timing, faster on the attack and very quick to 'jerk back' anticipating being hit. The overall outcome is that the biting becomes much worse rather than experiencing an improvement.   

 

Professional trainers will sometimes recommend harsh measures in an attempt to discourage biting. I have heard them say that you hit with your fist very hard at the slightest indication that a bite is coming. I have been told to use vibrating practical joke mechanisms which have a sharp point on them. Some have said to use a clothes peg to execute a painful pinch; I've even heard it recommended using a pair of pliers. The worst I know of is the recommendation to place a nail between your fingers jabbing the horse that bites.

 

Each of these measures is guaranteed to produce a horse which is a more dangerous biter than previously. One must agree to take all painful/violent measures out of the training scenario. It is critical that no attention is paid to the muzzle area of the biting horse whatsoever. These measures will simply cause the horse to bite down with the teeth and then exit taking parts of your clothing and possibly even your skin along with him. There are much more effective ways to deal with this problem.

 

Read more about Monty's thoughts on handling the horse that bites: http://www.montyroberts.com/monty-blog/ask-monty-isnt-it-ok-to-hit-the-horse-who-bites-you/

 

 

 

 

 

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