Dr. Susan Russell joined us from Penn State University during our online COVID programming which helped educate, entertain, and keep engaged our singing community during the year we were not singing in person. Dr. Russell is a Penn State Laureate, meaning she travels to the 48 campuses to give inspirational workshops and talks. A former Broadway performer and now an Associate Professor of Theater, Dr. Russell is known for her Cultural Conversations workshops that brought together "town and gown" to explore difficult cultural topics through theater and music. In this excerpt from a conversation with Boulder Concert Chorale Artistic Director Dr. Vicki Burrichter, she talks about the classical hero's journey in Stephen Mitchell's translation of "Gilgamesh." Only a few days before the conversation, the King Sooper's shootings had occurred and the search for some kind of meaning to take from such a horrific event shaped the discussion.